Comments on: Theology alert… http://www.thejumps.co.uk/2005/02/20/theology-alert/ Live life like us, because its better, frankly Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:48:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Dad. http://www.thejumps.co.uk/2005/02/20/theology-alert/#comment-17 Dad. Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:14:00 +0000 http://home.thejumps.co.uk/?p=354#comment-17 Any vision, prophecy or any other "divine" communication that has as it's purpose the job of coercing or manipulating the people into a particular course of action, is very definitely not christian and very "worldly". It probably didn't come from God either! Avoid at all costs... Any vision, prophecy or any other “divine” communication that has as it’s purpose the job of coercing or manipulating the people into a particular course of action, is very definitely not christian and very “worldly”. It probably didn’t come from God either! Avoid at all costs…

]]> By: Ruth http://www.thejumps.co.uk/2005/02/20/theology-alert/#comment-16 Ruth Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:51:00 +0000 http://home.thejumps.co.uk/?p=354#comment-16 Yes... I don't have a problem with the first sort, but there is VERY LITTLE biblical precedent for the second, that I can see. In fact, the tower of Babel is the most glaring example of why NOT to follow a big "vision". Noah had one, but it was personal to him, and didn't involve mobilising anyone else, and pursuading them that they had to do as he said. True, they wouldn't get in the boat, but he didn't lay trips on them for not helping him with the carpentry. Moses' Vision involved taking the children of Israel out of Egypt and into the Promised Land, but I'm prepared to bet that they only followed him because he was liberating them, not because they were Bought In. The only exception I can think of is the rebuilding of Jerusalem after the exile to Babylon. And the New Testament church seems to have been perfectly happy to accept the Great Commission as their major goal, and leave it at that. Yes… I don’t have a problem with the first sort, but there is VERY LITTLE biblical precedent for the second, that I can see.

In fact, the tower of Babel is the most glaring example of why NOT to follow a big “vision”. Noah had one, but it was personal to him, and didn’t involve mobilising anyone else, and pursuading them that they had to do as he said. True, they wouldn’t get in the boat, but he didn’t lay trips on them for not helping him with the carpentry.

Moses’ Vision involved taking the children of Israel out of Egypt and into the Promised Land, but I’m prepared to bet that they only followed him because he was liberating them, not because they were Bought In.

The only exception I can think of is the rebuilding of Jerusalem after the exile to Babylon. And the New Testament church seems to have been perfectly happy to accept the Great Commission as their major goal, and leave it at that.

]]> By: Dad. http://www.thejumps.co.uk/2005/02/20/theology-alert/#comment-15 Dad. Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:07:00 +0000 http://home.thejumps.co.uk/?p=354#comment-15 The problem hangs on the fact that christians use the word "vision" in two senses. 1) A picture transmitted by God in a supernatural way to inform or illuminate his people. 2) A picture formed by the imagination of what one can or might achieve in the future if one puts one's mind to it. It is not always clear which version a particular christian is referring to. The issue is further complicated by christians who use the word to enhance their appearance of spirituality. The problem hangs on the fact that christians use the word “vision” in two senses.
1) A picture transmitted by God in a supernatural way to inform or illuminate his people.
2) A picture formed by the imagination of what one can or might achieve in the future if one puts one’s mind to it.
It is not always clear which version a particular christian is referring to.
The issue is further complicated by christians who use the word to enhance their appearance of spirituality.

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